Trickster Goblin Day 2 Discussion

[Rem]

That requires too many assumptions. Be specific about which you like and dislike.

[J11]

scroll to the top of the page and read it down. I am not re-quoting myself for the 10th time.

[Rem]

maybe you should

[J11]

lazy boi.

Four-step plan:

Make it spawn every 60-70 minutes. It’d be half as common as any other public event and it’s not like LC can monopolize something that happens all the time in a random place with no warning. Adjust drops and costs to compensate for the additional spawns. If the goblin isn’t killed in 10 minutes, he despawns and you have to wait for the next spawn.

Disable invisibility potions on token holders or finally add viable counter play. Invisibility is fine when it’s just used for ambushes or run-of-the-mill escapes, but big drops make it overpowered.

Remove Highsteppe from the spawns. It’s way too easy.

Have a public event indicator over the goblin in Highsteppe, with the normal colors. When the event is active, show the blue indicator and replace the goblin with a sign that says “BRB. Scounting out Lamavora Battlefields. -The Goblin” until he’s killed. When you wave at him, give him text explaining World PVP. Newbies will be able to see this and learn SO much from context.

+5th step

Highlight the bag of the person carrying the Trickster Tokens. Turn it purple, like a rare bag drop. This has obvious meaning for everyone and solves a lot.

I followed that up with my own suggestion of some possible mechanics… But generally the theme is clear so any combination of these is worth testing i think:

i think the unanimous opinion is that the goblin should have some indicator and when someone gets the token there should be an indicator around that general area to know where the action is at.

Some other ideas have been around having one big-brawl spawn with predictable time and location and one random spawn with semi predictable time and location… In either spawn though no one has said anything against having an indicator to know where the action is at.

SO maybe something like:

Goblin 1 (Big boi goblin)
Timing: 6.5 hrs
Randomness in time: 5 mins
Randomness in location: anywhere
Indicator on goblin: Yes
Indicator where token is at: Yes

Goblin 2 (Wittle boi goblin)
Timing: 3 hrs
Randomness in time: 1 hr
Randomness in location: anywhere
Indicator on goblin: Yes
Indicator where token is at: Yes

Of course if there was some increase in frequency like this, There would need to be some settings in my menu not to give me an alert every time it comes up. That would be annoying for a few players probably.

It seems that C_R’s suggestion is fairly similar too.

[Seurimas_Songwraith]

How about:

1. Give three random players (unless they’re in LC or an LC-affiliated guild) with PvP a token
2. Don’t announce who got it
3. LC can have the fun they crave of killing random people who have PvP on and “hunting” them down. Everyone else gets to have regular chances at keeping tokens (or getting more by killing someone with token)
4. Headless chicken pvp with multiple chickens!
5. ???
6. Profit.

As much as this seems like a joke suggestion, the first step actually sounds like the start for an interesting event as well. Maybe make trickster tokens also an overworld drop like the transmogs, except only PVP-enabled folks get them. Then announce it to the server when it’s picked up, in which zone, and get ready to run for your life!

[J11]

Then announce it to the server when it’s picked up and get ready to run for your life!

like a random rare glowing rock in the world and when you pick it up your forced in to combat aha. kinda cool idea. Non pvpers should be able to pick it up too and then it would say ‘Picking this up will activate PvP. Are you sure?’ ahah

[Seurimas_Songwraith]

A simple “Are you sure?” is dangerous. There’s a lot of risks associated with PVP that would be difficult to communicate at that stage effectively.

[J11]

thats why i wrote ‘---->Picking this up will activate PvP.<---- Are you sure?’. maybe level 30 only to be safer?

[Atropos]

I never thought I’d say this, but I agree with @Seurimas_Songwraith. PvP turning in in overworld is a big thing and nothing will cause a person to rage quit more than losing all of their items as a newbie because they didn’t understand the mechanic

[J11]

well… I think we are thinking way ahead in to details here anyway. The concept is a reasonably interesting one that might appeal to the middle ground easter egg hunting PvPers.

[Rem]

Stop attacking me J!

Lol jk but really tho I didn’t know Seuri’s suggestion you agreed with, come clarity. I’m against an indicator because hand holding sort of bothers me and I don’t want a giant target on my back, bigger than the LC one anyways. Is there a big problem with not knowing who has the tokens? Was this complained about in OG? We always kind of figured out who grabbed the tokens regardless if we recovered them or not.

[Rickness_Voidwalker]

Was this complained about in OG?

No because there was only 1 path to take to get out in OG

[Quick_J]

Is there a big problem with not knowing who has the tokens? Was this complained about in OG?

Yes, I thought this was a problem. I think people should know who has the tokens so they can plan their strategy around it. The fight is over the tokens, why hide it.

[J11]

It was easier to assess who had the token in OG because there was less space and you were forced towards your opponent to move out in most cases so tactical positioning like in a football match… With random spawns everyone is sprewed out like a jumble sale so its a very different dynamic.

[Rem]

There was 1 path but some would inv out, some would log out, some would shoot the moon letting their group fight while they ran on, some would form a shield around their carrier. There were lots of differences that kept everyone guessing who had what and where it went. We formed strategies based on what groups had done in the past and that was a nice bit of meta. While it was easier to asses the route they took back then, now everyone has to pass HS so…theres still a choke. am I right?

[Luvstosmooch]

We always kind of figured out who grabbed the tokens regardless if we recovered them or not.

I feel like a ton of times the token just disappeared into nothingness due to invis pots. However, I agree with these gentlemen on at least some sort of indication. Maybe everyone within 10 meters of the token is highlighted or something? The less chances of tokens just disappearing and feeling like you had no chance to get them the better IMO.

[J11]

now everyone has to pass HS so…theres still a choke. am I right?

not particularly no. The safe zone is so massive that as soon as you get in to the highsteppe area you have basically won… also without the indication of where the token boi is heading, they could come from any zone path around highsteppe.

[Rem]

Depending on where you are coming from there is a lot of HS to have to run. You have a 50/50 chance of guessing the right path and two groups can easily teleport ahead of the token bearer and block them off. Even if they get into the safe zone they are still in danger of rangers and mages for a bit.

[Justin]

A problem I have is that I have no clue when this goblin is spawning.

I don’t play 10 hours a day and hope the message appears when I’m on.
This is probably the same for a casual player as well.

Do we really have to set a schedule or have a 3rd party program to tell us when the next spawn is going to be? This is one reason why the chest get’s monopolized because one team has the times pinned down to the hour and and is prepared for the event.

Wow has the chest spawning every 3 hours for example so you have multiple chances a day to go at it and it’s not a randomized event.

I would show up to the chest if I actually knew when it was going on and where it was going to be but for now I’ll wait for J to announce it or something and hopefully I’m not in the middle of something else.

[Rem]

I believe there is a tracker on the unofficial.