Hard Mode Foil Armor discussion

[NotScott]

I think you overreacting here

[J11]

@roger_k

This game has gone to hell real quick. WTF happened?

I wouldn’t say the game has gone to hell…

But I can sum it up for you in 3 points:

• The veteran players for the most part have run out of things to do and there is no tough progressive things to play with (other than hard mode dungeons at the moment) which the veteran players have expressed dismay for the extrinsic incentive to do it.

• New players have no clear direction when getting in to the game and no clear progression incentives to continue playing.

• a lack of ‘delighters’ throughout the game. Everything largely focuses on the bare bone basics of an MMO and improvements are more to fix those bare bone basics. (search kano model to see what I mean by delighters).

[NotScott]

@J11

The veteran players for the most part have run out of things to do and there is no tough progressive things to play with.

Sorry to feel against this, but scheduling a 6+ hour day session of trying to burn through all content as quick as possible with a team of players who already played for years and are only drawn from the whole game of best players is not really making it possible to keep up with ‘challenging’ content.

[J11]

I modified my answer. We still haven’t properly ‘cleared’ hardmode imo and we do enjoy doing the content… Its just that everything else is ‘completed’ at the moment pretty much.

Here would be my wishes. Riley Online LLC will release:

• ‘infinity’ scaling on dungeons

• Add dynamism to dungeon generation

• Add clear progression indicators to newly released gear (color changes, additional spikes or whatever).

• Add some new depth to the overworld ‘village building’ through quests stuff.

• Improve the compass system for navigating around (I mean I built an interactive map in a couple days of work. How tough can it be to improve on ? )

• Add miniboss spawns in overworld.

All of these features are designed for constant progression for players as well as a literal sense of ‘direction’.

[Kamina]

the problem isnt that veterans ran out of things to do. we havent had things to do for months, but what changed now was we are realizing there isnt much too look forward to, because after shards were done in the first week we waited for raids, once normal mode raids were here we realized they were eh, but waited for hard mode raids to give us the challenge we were looking for, but they are here and not only do we get nothing new with it, but it isnt a challenge like expert was

now we must simply wait for re re born with the latest version of unity to fix everything

[Acavi]

@Sift

I’m only doing the HM raids to hang out with my friends. I couldn’t care less about stats, the raid doesn’t feel as epic as the original OrbusVR raid did, the gear doesn’t even look cool, etc. There is literally nothing keeping me playing the game besides the friends that I have made playing it, and it really makes me sad to say this (because of my love for the original), but I just don’t like playing the game anymore. When a new VRMMO comes out the player base is most likely going to plummet unless some major changes are made, but I just don’t see it happening (because people have been voicing their opinions on a lot of the things that suck about the game right now and it seems that it has all been ignored).

I couldnt say it better

[NotScott]

Well expertmode was harder in the old game for very specific reasons:

• we were all worse at the game
• boss 2 was tuned to impossible and took cheating to win
• boss 3 had a mechanic in it so hidden that it took a while to figure out
• boss 4 forced an amount of ppl of a class that almost never was available.
• although boss 5 was a challange, if we talking our current skill level after the impossible bugs got removed that boss was as easy as things are now.

[NotScott]

Also:

• the fights are shorter
• there is no lagg dps check anymore xD
• the bugs got fixed way faster

[Atropos]

@J11

‘infinity’ scaling on dungeons

This would be really cool, but could be an issue for gear scaling unless it’s just about accomplishments. And then someone will complain that it’s not giving progressively better gear.

@J11

Add dynamism to dungeon generation

Do this and a group of people will complain that there is an RNG aspect. I think it could be done in the Battlegrounds, but dungeons would be more difficult to generate and maintain if there was dynamism here.

@J11

Add clear progression indicators to newly released gear (color changes, additional spikes or whatever).

I agree 100% with this. Having progression even if it’s not necessarily ‘cooler’ would be good. Perhaps add rings or bands of design and increase with level? I.e. Raid Normal gear gets no bands, Raid Hard gear gets some added design. If people don’t like it, they don’t have to wear it, but it’ll differentiate the armor better than foil would.

@J11

Add some new depth to the overworld ‘village building’ through quests stuff

I do wish this took longer to do. I completed all my village building ones in an afternoon. The quests do seem very expandable, though. Maybe make the next round more of a medium-term feature? Something similar to the DTR credit?

@J11

Improve the compass system for navigating around (I mean I built an interactive map in a couple days of work. How tough can it be to improve on

This is already on their ‘upcoming’ list, if you recall.

@J11

Add miniboss spawns in overworld.

Aberrations or old-style monsters would be really cool and fun.

[NotScott]

@Atropos

This would be really cool, but could be an issue for gear scaling unless it’s just about accomplishments. And then someone will complain that it’s not giving progressively better gear.

You know what would be really cool with infinite dungeons. That the gear has somewhere a small number showing the shard number of it. So there is no need to keep designing stuff for the players on infinity. Because you get infinity higher numbers that you can show off.

[Atropos]

I love it. Such simplicity. Much wow!

[J11]

@Scott

That the gear has somewhere a small number showing the shard number of it. So there is no need to keep designing stuff for the players on infinity. Because you get infinity higher numbers that you can show off.

yeah just add a number on the sleeve or the back of the hand or something

[Tman]

That would never work…just add foil.

[Atropos]

@Tman

would never work…just add foil

[J11]

i want to feel like a backwards espada

[Parintachin]

@Xicor

The good thing is there won’t be another vrmmo for at least a few years, so the devs here have a while to come up with stuff people enjoy

Zenith is panning a Q4 2020 launch. That’s ~1.5 years

[Xicor]

They have nothing done… Like literally nothing. They couldn’t even scrap together models or actual mechanics ideas for their trailer thing… Just a bunch of stills from other games.

Mmos take more than 1.5 years to make.

[Rickness_Voidwalker]

@AcaviGER

(okay just dont let us talk about the first shard gear in oldbus that was ridiculous bad)

[Kamina]

you mean ?

[Archive]

looks like zenyatta from overwatch with them beads/balls.