Well, that’s disappointing, but it does exist, so there it is. It would have been more fun if someone had figured it out through trial and error, but that’s the way it goes…
I guess I will just have to give things much more generic names in the future.
Yeah, it is a big let down and I wish people couldn’t data mine this stuff. I know all the recipes were data mined as well. It sucks for the people that spent all the time searching for it and testing things to figure it out.
As a suggestion, in the future if you add any new recipes, you should make it so you actually have to have the recipe in your journal to be able to make the potions.
I kind of assumed the recipes themselves would get data-mined, since anything on the client (like the journal pages themselves) can get data-mined…in the future I might be able to just move all the text for the recipe to the server so it can’t get discovered until it’s actually unlocked. I figured the aging couldn’t really be data-mined since there’s no recipe for it that’s given out, but I suppose just the fact that a “Finely Aged Concentrated Potion” exists at all can be. So I guess it’s still up to whoever figures out the timing on how to do it.
That said, it’s all a learning experience, and we’re learning more about how to handle this sort of thing in the future to guard against it better in the expansion.
Datamining is an other chapter of modern gaming. For example World of warcraft has hundreds of sites that datamine even the test servers. Everything is known from day one. But in games like WoW they focus on gameplay rather than secretly secrets. Not saying that having secrets in a game is not a good part of a good game, but it shouldnt be the main attraction. Orbus needs to focus on gameplay at the moment, there are tons of things that can be improved.
Data-mining is BS and ruins the fun. It’s sad that you think otherwise.
Placing Red Herrings in the date could be useful to catch data miners. Put potions in the data that are fake or even kills you if you make them.
I really like the use of secrets in Orbus. I think it makes the game feel a lot more interesting and worthwhile to explore. To me it’s a shame that it’s possible to data mine this stuff at all.
For me data mining is like sand at the beach, the beach is great but the sand is coarse and rough and it gets everywhere.
Out of curiosity, do potions maintain their “age” timer through trading? I know it’s unlikely but if it does then it may prove irritating when going for a “finely aged” potion if it’s a small window of time to be successful.
no they don’t, if you take it out of the rack, it starts fresh again or starts the timer over.
Perfect, time to run trial and error on potion aging.
Well, now you’re making me feel a little foolish for defending your discovery…I’m not a huge fan of data-mining either as a developer or a player, because it takes a lot of tools out of our toolbox for adding mystery to the game world.
At any rate, we are learning more and more about the development process and how to get the results we want, and figuring out what we should assume will be data-mined (certainly anything on the client) and what we want to work extra-hard to prevent from being mined is one of those things.
Counting cards in Vegas isn’t illegal either … but its also the best way to get kicked out of the casinos.
Its also not illegal to eat roadkill… but should you do it?
I’m not a fan of datamining either, and I’m glad the devs will be looking into some countermeasures.
That being said, as the items do exist, I retract my previous comments and apologize.
yeah but also wowhead, mmo-champion etc DO exist, you like it or not, and every_single_player visits them every day and if you ask them noone feels like cheating just because they read game information. Im just saying that if you have ever played ANY other mmo that is common knowledge. Now if the devs can make secrets more secretly it is welcomed.
Datamining is kinda also asking other players(extracting data out of their minds) or at forums or discords for information. Its BS too and it ruins the fun because you are supposed to find things out on your own. So… umm? Isnt that sad that too?
I recommend not using hyperbole to make your point. WoW has millions of subscribers and I guarantee you that not “every_single_player” visits those sites every day.
Just because something is a commonplace act doesn’t make it virtuous or even acceptable. For example, many gaming communities are extremely toxic, but that doesn’t make it ok, and we should obviously all strive to combat that behavior whenever we can, even if it it seems like a lost cause.
Lastly, trying to justify data-mining by comparing it to asking another player for information seems disingenuous. A player relaying their personal experiences vs someone deconstructing the game code to find information is not remotely the same thing in an obvious number of ways.
Tests prove different. Defenetly more requierd then removing from shelf. Also yes some people did find double ageing. Mostly by accident and neglect.
I just did it 2 days ago. Once it’s aged and taken out whether it’s a day later or hours later and you put it back in, the timer resets for the overaging. Riley also made a comment on this in a separate thread a few months ago as someone asked the same question.
Managed to age empowerd strike on 1 day taken from inventory chest. Had bin on aging before. Obviously a bit bugged if that’s not intentional.
I mean you might not be super well acquainted with the game but a huge part of Orbus is the players getting out and exploring the world. Data mining is kind of inevitable when you have a player base like this. Wow has really embraced data mining as part of the game whereas that’s definitely not the case here.
In a vacuum there isn’t really anything wrong with data mining, in this setting it’s more taboo. Additionally getting the information from other players rather than data mining is very different. It utilizes the community and let’s someone choose to share that info it keep it to themselves. If they didn’t data mine it, they also had to discover it the way the designers intended and we’re rewarded for it. Which is way better in my book and less… Well Sandy.