The only people that are excluded from doing that now are Crazie and Roxanne. That’s literally what they agreed to. They are saying “it’s more important to me to have a stall than it is to participate with Alphabet in the Wilds”.
You all are acting like these are new rules. They’ve been in place for three months now.
At any rate, at this point I have explained the reason for the rules, and what they are, so I don’t think there’s anything more to discuss.
The issue has been resolved. In future we, as a community will be careful to make sure we are not placing multiple bids on stalls in the same zones.
It is not something I checked this time round as its been a busy week for me and it was the last thing on my mind… Nethertheless… All resolved now.
Thanks,
The last part seems a bit weird to me. If they defend you but share drop equally wouldn’t that count as being a separate market group? Like going into a dungeon with a group doesn’t make them count in your Market group since everyone is equally likely to get loot, dram in this case <.<
Likewise in the wilds if the loot is shared equally, doesn’t that mean you aren’t getting help from the others in a sufficiently different way from being in a dungeon?
It should be something more like trading items for a price outside of reasonable limits, including a price of 0, with the purpose of being sold.
Okay so let’s use an example. Good Guys Fellowship has, in theory, two people with stalls. Guild Leader and Other Person. Guild Leader’s stall is the “fellowship” stall, so they’re good to hang out and do whatever. Other Person in theory says “yeah I’m separate.”
Now let’s introduce Third Party. Third Party likes to hang out in the Wilds and fish. He usually brings a bodyguard. Now let’s say that Other Person both goes to the Wilds and kills Third Party and take his stuff. And they call in backup from Good Guys Fellowship.
Is that fair to Third Party? Other Person just used the advantage of being in Good Guys to get his stuff and now they’re going to benefit from it and sell it. That’s not fair, they’re supposed to be separate from Good Guys!
As you can see, if we don’t have rules like that in place, we might as well just let Good Guys have all the stalls they want, because having Other Person have their own stall, but still benefiting from Good Guys’ resources, means there’s really no difference, and no competition.
Likewise, if Other Person heads out into the Wilds and takes 6 members of Good Guys with him, he’s going to have access to farm resources and be protected from bandits in a way that only a member of Good Guys can. Which means that Third Party is at a serious disadvantage now. He can’t really compete with Guild Leader OR Other Person because they have a monopoly on the Wilds!
This all makes perfect sense, and honestly owning a Market Stall is a totally optional part of the game anyway. You can choose to participate in your Fellowship’s stall as a group, or you can choose to go it alone, but what we don’t want is Good Guys owning the whole darn market.
This is literally also the other rule.
Yeah =D
But I wonder what about this? If a non PvP fellowship hires a fellowship of mercenaries, the price of which is half of the items harvest, looted or a price per duration, don’t the two fellowships count as separate market groups?
Likewise if an individual hires other individuals, regardless of what fellowship they are in, don’t they count as separate market groups?
I don’t mean to argue though. It is just interesting to see how this turns out 
We don’t have to continue on conversation >.<
If Good Guys Fellowship offers a publicly-available mercenary service, that they are willing to do for anyone, then Other Person is free to hire them at that rate and take them with them. But it had really better be something they’re doing for multiple groups outside the Fellowship as well, not just a “wink wink nudge nudge” kind of a deal.
Just like you are free to buy other items from your Fellowship members as long as you’re doing so at rates that you are buying/selling to Third Party people at as well.
However, I would be very cautious about (for example) calling in backup if you are a separate Market Group and having that always-available. Like if it’s not planned in advance that you are bringing bodyguards, but suddenly other members of your fellowship show up to exact revenge or help you out, that would be pretty suspicious.
Honestly this is a lot of talk about something that at this point literally affects 4 or 5 total people in the whole game, all of whom already agreed to these rules in advance and said they are fine with them.
Let’s be honest here- the rules make sense. Its early in the game’s market and there’s nothing wrong with taking extra precaution against obvious attempts for people to dominate the market as a group.
Inb4 people leave their fellowships to try and do it anyway.
Isn’t having 3 alphabet fellowships against the point of having fellowship member caps?
Oh I did have a suggestion about the price that I would want you guys to consider.
Having the lowest nth bid be the price for the stall will ensure that the ones who had the most money will usually not suffer for bidding high and be able to keep that high bid for future bids, and hence get first pick again, since 5k might be relatively little compared to what was actually bid. Could there be some way to punish those who bid too high? Like shaving off a certain percent? Taxes?
I was streaming at the time this was announced and had Airus hop into my stream to tell me the news, I was so pumped hahah. What an awesome surprise this was after I had already started streaming starting with the news that my bid didn’t get me a stall hah.
This system has shown to be effective against people who bid everything expecting to come out with a cheap win with no risk, as a stall in HS last time around went for 80k, definitely not what people expect to pay, and look how much it has fallen
ok all people make a own folowship and all people can have a own market stall ? no problem xD
Sorry to bring it up again, I do accept the decision you have made, just got a theoretical question:
You say that if the Other Party is asking for reinforcements from his fellowship is a no go, then what about having alliances between fellowships and asking the other fellowship to help out? Or just asking a friend (who has a stall) to help out with his fellowship?
I know in theory the possibility of this to happen is relatively low at the moment, but I think thinking in a way that if a fellowship member asks for help from other fellowship members who is a separate group is an issue, then why is it not an issue for a solo player with a stall to ask friends to help? Wouldn’t that be more or less the same issue?
My understanding on this was the reinforcement should:
so you could actually ask for reinforcements/bodyguards. I guess you could even ask for reinforcements at the moment it is happening and call up a price? He does however say
I think my question is very similar if not identical to yours, I guess it is more of a question of help out, hire and free service?
As I’ve already said, I’m not going to play the 20 Hypothetical and Theoretical Questions game. I think at this point the rule is established, as it has been for multiple months, and it’s been well-explained. The people who are subject to that rule (the 4 or 5 people who have been given the Separate Market Group exemption) were made aware of it when they agreed to do it.
The rule will be enforced according to its spirit. My advice (which I have already given to those folks directly) is that they proceed with an overabundance of caution and make sure it looks like nothing improper is going on, rather than trying to figure out the thinnest line they can find to not cross. At the end of the day if your goal is to spend all of your time playing with your existing friends or Fellowship in the Wilds, then owning a separate Market Group stall is probably not for you. Instead I suggest participating in your primary Fellowship’s stall, where these rules don’t apply. Or starting a new Fellowship with a small group of people you want to play with.
Again, I really don’t have anything else to say on the matter at this point.
Riley, don’t get me wrong, the only reason I asked it because this part is not “well-explained”. If you don’t want to talk about the topic any further that’s fine as well
Edit: since there are so many questions popping up here, I don’t think “well-explained” would describe the rules
Hey, can you confirm that you got the message from me on stall preferences? I’m using the internal direct messaging system here and not sure it went through. If it didn’t, I’ll just post all that info here, but I’d rather not.
Yes I got it. Twenty chars
This is exactly how every one that only bid on GC stalls felt