Level scaling really needs to go!

[Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeshka]

I’m going to go ahead and bow out before this goes off the deep end and gets closed. Again. Lol

[Lara_r]

Thank you @Indiana_Mishka_Jones I appreciate it, but I respect your feelings about the game, I wish we could come to a middle ground!

[Pyronaeus]

See, that’s the thing. I feel perfectly fine helping new players lower than me. I can’t one-shot sure, but I’m still able to do things a lvl 1 can’t.

[Pyronaeus]

But … yes, I do feel weak depending on the area

[Sift]

There will always be exceptions, but there have been many people on the forums that agreed with my previous statement.

[Sift]

Level Scaled Over-world Thoughts

@Riley_D @Robert Riley Quote from a locked thread on this topic: The goal with the dynamic scaling is to make it so that everyone in the game can do most overworld activities together. This is really, really important for the longevity of the game. One of the biggest lessons we learned in the original OrbusVR is that we need a setup so that a Level 15 and a Level 2 can play together in a positive way that’s beneficial for both of them in a good chunk of the game. There will be plenty of oppor…

Level Scaled Over-world Thoughts

On top of what Sift said, i would like to add that the level scaling increased the requirement to find a full group for activities as a result. This is particularly taxing on low level players in a low population game.

Level Scaled Over-world Thoughts

I’m pretty sure their intention was to make higher level players play with lower level players. The exact opposite has happened. I used to be happy to help any low level any time they asked, but now if a low level asks me to help them with anything besides teaching them how to mage, it just feels like a chore. When a low level in OG asked me to help them with the first dungeon I would do it every single time, and it made me happy that I could help people out, but now that all the dungeons are le…

Level Scaled Over-world Thoughts

After having played Reborn for about a month now, on top of the first 3-4 betas, I have come to the conclusion, same as everyone else, that the scaled leveling was a bad idea. It makes every zone feel the same even more than the very similar landscapes. No matter where you go, you’re fighting enemies that are more-or-less the same difficulty, unless you manage to find some unscaled mobs. I’m fine with level scaling in queued dungeons, but that’s how it should have stayed (Like preborn when the …

Level Scaled Over-world Thoughts

I also think that one of the largest complaints I’ve seen/heard from new players is that things are hard to kill and never really get easier. They pick up the V. Stafrages quest and can’t kill it on-level, sometimes not even with a group of one or two more on-level players, and then still can’t kill it when they’re double level. It’s very frustrating for everyone involved and, as was mentioned above, leads not to those of us who are higher level helping them out but to us saying, “nah, that wou…

Level Scaled Over-world Thoughts

I do really enjoy the dungeon scaling but I dislike the overworld scaling. There is not that feeling of “hey I’m getting stronger”. Which I think is a very important thing for any game.

Level Scaling Request for Removal

There should be mobs that you are able to run straight through when you are at max level. In Reborn it is difficult to feel strong when you can’t even one-shot the level 1 mobs outside of highsteppe. With the removal of level scaling there would still be mobs that require skill to kill, but no all of them would. I hate this with every fiber of my being. I should be god-like compared to the level 1 mobs outside of the starter village. I want to feel super-strong, and being able to blast things…

Level Scaling Request for Removal

I truly hate level scaling . Back in OG orbus it was helpful (in dungeons) due to the effort it use to take getting to max level. I enjoyed helping new players through dungeons in OG. In reborn it strips every sense of accomplishment. Gear ? What’s the point … leveling … doesn’t matter. Still die to level 1 mobs. It was such a good feeling going back and killing mobs that gave you trouble while leveling in OG. It felt good going after harder mobs to be rewarded for it. It was progression and y…

Some good responses from the other times that this topic has been made on the forums

[Lara_r]

I think I agree with all I saw there. Personally, in a level 0 dungeon, sure, that makes sense. It can be used to train new players. but beyond that, in a shard, raid or in the overworld, it has no place in my opinion. I honestly think it is a primary reason for a lot of players, playing orbus, leaving, and never coming back…

[Pyronaeus]

Aye, I know. I just believe level-scaling can be done correctly.

And level-scaling afects over world and non-shards only I thought.

Anyway, topic has been addressed a lot and not much else I can say that hasn’t been said.

[Lara_r]

Its true… But it’s a topic that keeps irritating the community, so I guess the subject keeps coming up.
I truly believe that the dev’s knew way more what a game was when they designed preborn rather than reborn.

[Pyronaeus]

Careful not to start a war in this thread x3 OG is a tough subject too. I’m no preborn player so idk

[Lara_r]

True true, definitely not trying.
It is sensitive, but in here, I only really want to address the level scaling.

Is it possible that this sensitive subject can be handled with difficulty levels that each player could choose? (even if
they change it mid-way for a steep fee perhaps?)

[Pyronaeus]

Getting into difficulty sliders in a multiplayer game. I never heard of that being done, only in single players.

Then you get into unfair playing fields as players would grind easier than someone not on easy. If players can choose to make the game easier and less grindy, they would.

[Richleth]

Just to add; yes level scaling was added for that reason

[Reyterra]

It is possible in most games, though it often ends up as damage multipliers going in an out, and really nothing else. Person A is on easy mode, therefore takes 50% less damage and deals 100% more damage, whereas Person B is on ‘hard’ mode, and thus takes 100% more damage and deals 50% less damage, etc.

But yes, immediately back into the unfair playing fields, as why wouldn’t you want to turn on easy mode and solo a world boss? Unless there’s some kind of incentive to play on hard (usually achievements), there likely won’t be anyone playing it. Plus, with shards, hm raids, overworld PvP, and a lot of other stuff, simply adding damage multipliers to everything would just be…uninspired?

[Lara_r]

My point is that I am level 30, with a ll this nice gear on, plus tiles. I should easily be able to kill that thing at my level! The level scaling makes it frustrating to play the game rather than having fun like we used to…

[Logan]

I can solo it as a warrior and scoundrel, so maybe it’s the class itself? I also know a lot of people who can solo the sorceress group. I agree it shouldn’t be a challenge if you’re a decked out 30 regardless of class.

[Lara_r]

Agreed!..In this case I am using the shaman and from what I saw, it dishes out huge dps blows, so should definitely be able to kill them.

[Logan]

Shaman sits in one place for the most part while other classes can use the ramp and movement to avoid a lot of hits. I think that alone is a factor too. High dps < survivability lol

[Lara_r]

It sounds to me then that these things belong in the Wilds where I would kill these with friends. Leaving the over-world where I can solo everything. I don’t come on the game to do quests with friends. To me, that’s what world bosses, dungeons, raids and Wilds are for…
At my level, I should be rewarded by being able to kill everything in the overworld at the very least. Besides world bosses of course…

[NotScott]

Are you dodging the bolts?