Paladin still OP in PvP

[Atropos]

Paladins can’t actually kill Rangers, Scoundrels, or Muskets with a single set of orbs.

FTFY. 20char

[Kamina]

Yea, my most damaging combo will take a mage to half, but 2 afflictions and I’m dead

And that combo must be done with someone standing still no moving at all

[Sift]

Playing on mage, however this is besides the point. Paladins can still get kills on others classes fairly easily, and if not by themselves then slightly assisted by their DPS. Almost every encounter I find myself in with a paladin I get put in combat because the paladin is able to teleport without cooldown (still a problem) and by the time I am able to take out a DPS (only sometimes) the paladin + the damage from the DPS has already left me with 1 hit of health left. If I target the paladin, I am not able to kill them off before either they kill me or they get an assist from a DPS because of their already large health pool + their heal. While it might be easy to say “that just because you’re a mage and you have low health,” this is not a valid argument because even if I were able to dodge, which you aren’t able to (ground slam) I would probably still lost the fight because they can kill me within seconds.

[Kamina]

Have u looked at the other thread or do u want me to re type everything?

[Sift]

you could just link it, but I suppose I can scroll through all the forum posts until I find it

[Kamina]

Pvp Paladin nerfed to hard?

So i tested out the damage of paladin in pvp, and that seems to have reached managable levels. No one shots, reasonably easy to dodge, and so on. …but they are a bit to squishy instead. I kind of figured if I got a drop on someone and hit them full force, that I could just stand and take the damage untill the orbs recharge to finish the kill, beeing a tank and all. Turnes out scoundrel, mage and rapidity ranger can just kill you without moving from full health to 0 within the charge time point…

[Sift]

2 afflictions wouldn’t matter anyways because all debuffs drop off after death, and paladin is currently very capable of out healing an affliction or 2 long enough to kill off a mage

[Kamina]

so if i have the most damage i can do i can get u to half, it takes 7 orbs
every 2 orbs take 10 seconds, meaning to prep that u need 40 seconds then after that u are at half, meaning u need atleast another 40 seconds to finish, IF u arent dodging at all

[J11]

still getting 2 shot by newbie scoundrels unfortunately also… I think there is a lot of balancing to be done in PvP to be honest.

[Sift]

It doesn’t take 10 seconds to get 2 orbs, I have no idea where that number came from. You also get more orbs every time you take like 2 or 3 fireballs, so this wouldn’t be a problem

[Kamina]

fucken el why does no one actually read the patch notes…

Pvp Paladin nerfed to hard?

ok, so let me be clear on what the nerf did, it made it so that paladins do not get orbs from taking hits from PvP, gave a cool down to retribution(which only effected PvE), reduced their DPS, and completely removed all incoming damage reduction in PvP

[Kamina]

just gonna add to this comment with quotes from the other thread as i find them

Pvp Paladin nerfed to hard?

1v1s, top tier paladins die to top tier any other class. i have had elk and gundrakk kill me many times as mages, shiki and landru many times as archers, chezil and rem many times as scoundrel, and even a couple sneaky semz as bard. my other point is that in group PvP, which riley has said many times that is what he wants to balance PvP around, paladins are useless. To deal damage paladins have to be in melee range, and any half way decent groups stick together, meaning that if i am in melee range of 1 enemy in a group, i am easily in range of all enemys in the group, surround on all sides and very easy to pin down and destroy in seconds.

Pvp Paladin nerfed to hard?

You are describing how Palladin was pre nerf. Scoundrel will kill a palladin empowered and full chamber. I did test this.

Pvp Paladin nerfed to hard?

Im guessing you dont play paladin. If your aim sucks and they jump around, a paladin will heal up and grind you down. Same with a bard or musky.

Thing is your tactic is wrong. Just wait for the paladin. Ready your spell, charge up your gun. Because despite all there movement they ARE FORCED TO get close. When they do, fire, jump and repeat. Or just stand still and keep shooting taking the hit. Palladin stands no chance. They have to run or die. They are not tanky at all, and can’t take meely hits, despite being a tank meely class. A warier will wreck you if you try that.

It’s stupid, but the way to deal with the tank is just to tank them. Higher dps wins.

Paladin needs damage reduction back.

think thats good, sure theres more but its a big thread and would require a lot of digging

[Sift]

It is a tank class. I don’t know what people are not understanding about this. Give it more health in PvP for all I care, that doesn’t matter. All a paladin has to do to get kills/assists is teleport up and wiggle the hammer. If you get dodged, then you have 2 choices, throw the hammer and teleport again, or earth slam. Saying that you should tank the paladin is probably the worst possibly thing you could do to fight against one. Like I’ve said before, the paladin already does too much damage, if you attempt to “tank” one you will be easily killed (paladin can heal themselves). The damage for the class should have never been this high in the first place.

[Atropos]

It is a tank class.

Let’s please stop repeating this as a reason why a class should be made unviable in PvP. Every class needs to be balanced with their gimmicks. Paladins and warriors should have some kind of capability that simultaneously allows them to defeat other players on an equal footing and still uses the class gimmicks. Just like every class should.

[Kamina]

Pvp Paladin nerfed to hard?

Palladins in the pvp arena with no armor are way to squishy, and do not do enough damage to justify it.

Pvp Paladin nerfed to hard?

If that was the case you would expect them to survive 4 sec at point blank from full health

Spoiler: they dont.

Why? All damage reduction is removed. Any dps class needs seconds to kill them.

And as for high damage.
Paladins can’t even one-shot a squishy mage with full loaded orbs and boosts. And it’s another 10 seconds to charge up enough orbs to finish the job

20 characters

[Sift]

This is achievable without it being too strong. Warrior is strong if you are good at it. I’m not asking for a 50% damage nerf. Maybe 10% or 15% damage reduction and a 15% health boost to paladin would fix the problem. I just want the class to be closer to what it is supposed to be… a tank class.

[Kamina]

Pvp Paladin nerfed to hard?

warriors can 1 shot people with a wound

zachariah_c:

also ground slam takes 3x the orbs to use compared to a reg attack and does less damage, and has less of a radius than arcane missile and can be dodged
20 characters

[Sift]

If I am correct, a ground slam does 1/3 the damage of a normal swing. It is still strong, but definitely a lesser amount. While this is all true, my original argument was that paladin is easily able to do damage, and this argument still applies in this sense

[zachariah_c]

warriors can 1 shot people with a wound

if I have wound combo already and the shield break damage buff and sword raise its a 2 shot. without those buffs, it’s 3. but that is also if the game dosnt bug out and steal my wound combo turning my third killing strike in to the 4 strikes I have to do to get back my combo again
see this form

[Kamina]

So a regular hit does about 1/14th of a full health bar, and u say a ground slam is 1 3rdnof that which is 1/32 of someone’s heath, so, using your own math, a attack that takes about 20 seconds to get and would take 32 strikes if none are dodged is OP?